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I've just been reading a Radio Times feature in which various people give their opinion on which is the "greatest age of rock." Malcolm McLaren (svengali of the Sex Pistols) chooses the punk era, on the grounds that it was music by the people, and thus helped usher in interactive computer games, blogs and file sharing. For the first time in history, he said, we now have a generation that owns its own culture.

Really?

I have to admit that I don't know an awful lot about modern popular culture. My ignorant outsider's impression, though, is of a generation that is being conned – or is conning itself – into thinking that it owns its own culture, but is still largely paying money to enjoy a culture created by others. Yes, perhaps there are some examples of people owning at least parts of their own culture. Fan creations, such as fanfic, are arguably an example of this, and the internet has seen an explosion of such activities. However, they have existed for decades, and, besides, only involve a small minority of the population, anyway.

When it comes to wider popular culture, a lot of the so-called interactivity seems very cosmetic. You can press the red button to get "interactive" elements to a TV programme, but this is just a tiny little extra to the fact that you are still watching a programme created by others. You can phone some premium rate number to evict someone from Big Brother, but you are hardly creating your own culture. You are having a very small say in the details of someone else's concept, according to someone else's rules.

On the BBC news website, you can "have your say" on any news item, and you can express your opinion on it on your own personal blog. However, this doesn't seem to me to be much different from sitting in the pub with your friends chatting about it. All it offers is a potentially larger audience. The medium has changed, but the process is the same. Chatting to a friend is chatting to a friend, whether you do it face to face, over the phone, or through instant messaging.

When it comes to popular music, does this generation own their own culture? People can select which tracks to download, and create their own playlists, but someone else has still created the music, and it's been issued and marketed in a commercial fashion. Putting your favourite band's latest pop video up on YouTube is not creating your own culture. People still pay massive prices to go to concerts and festivals, where they are the audience, and the band is on stage, and never the twain shall meet. Some young people still form bands and create their own music, but that's nothing new – e.g. the skiffle culture in the 50s.

But enough of that. McLaren doesn't just assert that this generation owns its own culture; he also implies that no previous generation has done so. This doesn't really match what I know of folk culture in pre-Victorian Britain. It seems fair to say that these people, in part, at least, owned their own culture. At a local level, there was a huge repertoire of customs, celebrations and festivals that went on completely independent of the ruling elite – and, frequently, very much disapproved of by them.

The common people were, of course, had to go to Church, and had quite a lot of Christianity-related culture imposed on them from above. However, most people seem to have been very good at interpreting religion in their own way. Religious themes crop up in folk song in interesting ways, that bear little resemblance to anything preached in the pulpit. You just have to look at any book on calendar customs to see the vast difference between the common man's celebrations of a religious feast, and the way the establishment wanted to celebrated. Even the theology was often rather different from anything preached in the pulpit.

Each village had their own local stories, and their own local heroes and villains and superstitions. There was no television, radio or recorded music, so they would gather in the fields or the pubs to sing their own songs.

Of course, not all folk songs were written by peasants, and transmitted orally. Many songs were transmitted through writing, through broadside ballad sheets that were bought and sold. However, the broadsides were hardly an example of the elite imposing their songs on the masses. Provincial printers often wrote their own songs – murder ballads etc. – but they also collected songs from the common people, printed them, and passed them on to wandering chapmen to sell at fair. The common people who learnt songs from printed broadsides went on to interpret them in their own way. Cecil Sharp and co. often collected dozens and dozens of very different versions of a song. Although the song was traceable back to a printed ballad popular a few generations before, each community, and each singer, had made it their own.

There was, of course, a fair amount of culture imposed by above. One of the reasons given for the rapid decline of folk song in the late nineteenth century was that mass communication was improving, so the youth were singing the "new songs" from London, and no longer wanting the old-fashioned stuff their grandfather sang. Education Acts meant that more people went to school and absorbed the sort of culture that the ruling classes wanted them to absorb. Victorian middle classes didn't like the common folk's drunken revels, and "primitive" folk song, so set up community choirs to direct their musical leaning into more respectable channels.

It may well be that today's generation "own their own culture" more than people did 20 years ago. However, I find it hard to accept that they "own their own culture" more than people did back in the days before television, recorded music and mass communication, when people made their own entertainment in their own houses and pubs.

Date: 2007-05-16 12:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bunn.livejournal.com
Well, if it's not 'culture' I am not sure what the right word is. I was trying to make a point broader than the charity thing, really.

We have all these little worlds that are socially more or less selfcontained, that have their own rituals and artifacts and words and events and accepted modes of behaviour. I know the fanfic world has these: so does the online dog rescue world, the UK online gardening world (which isn't the same as the US online gardening world and don't risk suggesting it might be or you will be flamed back into the corn carrying your raccoons with you...) , the website accessibility world, and the php development world, and the search engine optimisation world (the last three less so as they are less self-contained, being largely 'work worlds').

If dog people are not just coming together to form a charity, but meeting up for social events and holidays, writing poetry, making images and even paintings and sculpture for consumption by their community, if they have their own shops, auctions, their own 'laws' the breaking of which results in expulsion, I would argue that they are genuinely forming a culture of their own. There isn't much 'dog people' music in it yet, but I suspect there might be in a few years when it's easier to share information that requires a lot of bandwidth and people are that much more familiar with the tools they would need to make recordings. There are even dog people seers and what might almost be described as dog people Books of Lore.

Weird, isn't it. I think there are cultures like this one breaking out all over the internet, and that they are going to get stronger.

Date: 2007-05-16 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
I would still argue that - for now - they are still mostly minority cultures. An alternative, minority interest lends itself to the creation of a whole sub-culture. Adherents band together, almost in defensiveness (?) and create a whole lifestyle around their liking of Morris dance, or D&D, or whatever. The more mainstream the interest is, the less likely it is to be more than a sort of mini-sub-culture that you enter for a few hours a week - e.g. when you go to your weekly choir practice, or knitting class, or whatever - before returning to your properly scheduled mainstream life.

Intrigued by the dog seers, though...

Date: 2007-05-16 06:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bunn.livejournal.com
OK, well here is a controversial statement: I believe that there are vanishingly few interests or ideas that are actually 'mainstream' now. I think things have fractured to the point that everything is genre, and there is almost nothing that could be described as uniting a really big majority in behaving in a particular manner. Christmas is about the only one I can think of.

Date: 2007-05-17 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
I don't think I agree. Or, rather, while it might be that most interests and ideas are actually only indulged in by a minority, there are some that get so much media recognition that they appear to be "mainstream", while others - which might, if you delved into it, be indulged in by just as many people - are labelled "minority." There's a perception of mainsteam culture, anyway. Compare the media coverage given to football, compared with computer gaming, for example. Or the coverage given to soap operas as opposed to television history programmes.

Date: 2007-05-17 09:29 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bunn.livejournal.com
I have a sneaky suspicion you may be grouping things that you don't like and aren't interested in, and calling them 'mainstream'. Yes, there is a lot of football on the telly and in the press, but I'm not convinced that 'being on the telly' = mainstream.

I think that football fans are extremely tribal. You do get genuine enthusiasts of 'the beautiful game', but not that many of them. On the whole, people watch their own team, plus England games, plus (sometimes) other people's games that might impact indirectly on their own team's fortunes.

Therefore, if you are going to broadcast football, you really have to show a lot of it, because most of the audience is only going to be interested in a small chunk of what you show and the rest will be irrelevant to them.

I don't think you can compare it to computer gaming, because computer gaming is a participation sport, not one that is specifically designed for small numbers of people to play and large number of people to watch. Furthermore, football is a long-established hobby which has traditionally been covered by traditional media: I suspect that in new media, the amount of coverage is reversed.

Date: 2007-05-17 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
I have a sneaky suspicion you may be grouping things that you don't like and aren't interested in, and calling them 'mainstream'

You could be right. I do have a fair amount of defensiveness about such things. I seem to have interests that are not only "minority", but are derided by the "majority." Morris dancing, for example, is hardly ever mentioned on the radio, on TV or in the papers without a snide little joke about how sad it is. The dog-loving community you describe is perhaps a thriving minority culture, but it's probably not laughed at in the press the same way Morris dancing is. Being laughed at all the time by "them" does tend to create a sense that you are part of a tiny, valiant minority, swimming against the bland current of the mainstream.

I'm thinking now of the "guest publication" thing on Have I Got News For You, that every week mocks mercilessly someone's own minority enthusiasm. (Folk music got the treatment a few weeks ago.) Some interests are fair game for mockery on television, because it's assumed that "everyone" knows they're silly. Other interests aren't, since it's assumed that "everyone" knows they're "cool" or socially acceptable. From this, I get "minority" and "mainstream."

Date: 2007-05-17 01:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bunn.livejournal.com
I heard a mention of Morris Dancing on the News Quiz the other week, and you'll be pleased to hear that it was stoutly defended against the usual mockery by Clive Anderson, who commented acidly on the 'BBC's Official Line on Morris-dancing'.

What a nice chap he seems to be. He did The Underdog Show with a rescue dog and adopted it, too.

Date: 2007-05-17 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
What a good chap!

I've been wondering what you thought about the Underdog Show. I have to admit that I never watched it, not even a few minutes of it, but the description of it made it sound a bit... questionable.

Date: 2007-05-18 09:54 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bunn.livejournal.com
I think on the whole, it was positive. It showed the range of dogs that come into rescue (they had an Afghan Hound and a selection of appealing mongrels of all sizes), it showed that if they'd come in because of problems, these were largely fixable by non-experts, with a little effort and professional advice, and most of the training shown was very positive and 'best practice'.

A major problem for dog rescue is that people don't want a rescue dog because they think the sort of dog they want will not be in rescue, or that rescue dogs will be broken, so they buy a puppy from a breeder (not realising that looking after a pup is often much more difficult!) It was a very good program from that point of view.

It was sad that some of the dogs bonded with their celebrity trainers, but not all the celebrities were in a position to adopt a dog, so that bond was broken at the end of the filming. But this is something that happens to a rescue dog if it goes into foster anyway. And several of the celebrities did end up adopting the dogs, which is a nice role model to have on the telly, and all the other dogs were adopted by an eager public: the Dogs Trust will be doing followup checks and I am sure they interviewed all applicants pretty stringently too.

Of of the dogs involved, one (Casper) I think was a poor choice to go on the show, as the poor beast had quite a lot of issues and looked a bit stressed, but the rest of them seemed to be having a whale of a time.

Perhaps the most questionable thing about it was that all the cash raised went to Children in Need, not the Dogs Trust, which supplied the dogs, or any other dog charity. Apparently the original plan had been for each celebrity to name a charity, which would have been mostly dog charities, but then there was the big fuss about phone-in corruption, and the BBC for mysterious reasons decided that the only way to avoid more scandal was to give everything to CIN.

Date: 2007-05-18 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
Good! I'm pleased it was mostly postitive. When I read the basic premise in the Radio Times, it sounded quite questionable. The implication was that the winning dog would get adopted, but the "losing" dogs would be cast aside. I was also uneasy about the idea of a dog being adopted on the basis of a phone-in competition (which is the impression I got from the Radio Times about what would happen). Although I did suspect that all the dogs would probably end up adopted, and that proper checks would be carried out.

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