Adventures with cloaks
May. 13th, 2007 07:40 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Well, the Wight has been Walked. Pellinor did the full 27 miles (not 28 as I said yesterday), though he was an idiot to do so, since he could barely put his feet on the ground at the 18 mile checkpoint. I did the 8 miles I'd planned to do, and can also barely walk, due to hip pain. It rained horribly for the first 16 miles or so, then got sunny and nice, but is raining again now.
Next year, I think I'm going to run away and Walk the Fens, or something. The island has far too many Downs. (For the benefit of stray Americans, Downs mean ups. It's rather like the way that Public schools are private.) The trouble is, all the Downs have downs in between them, so we're up and down like yo-yos. At one point, we were teetering down a very muddy path, and it struck me that it just needed one person at the top to slip, and 200 people would go down like dominos. I'm not sure whether I was disappointed or relieved that this didn't happen.
We did do the walk in Mummers' costume, after all. For me, this meant a cloak. This has given me a unique insight into the lack of realism endemic in fantasy novels today. Here is my shocking expose.
Fantasy novels do not properly address the issue of mud. If you are a hero trudging through wind and weather, with the fate of the world resting on your every footstep, you will inevitably go through foul weather and fouler ground, put there by your foul enemy. In other words, you will get muddy. As you can see, scabbards are not exempt. (Unless elven-made scabbards have some sort of in-built mud repellent.)

However, how often do you read something like this:
"As the enemy approached, Aragorn drew his sword. But, behold!, the movement dislodged the mud that caked his scabbard, and a fleck of mud went into his eye, which did blind him and cause the enemy to prevail."
You will also observe that walking through a landscape with an interesting geological composition results in overlaid layers of differently coloured mud.

Fantasyland always has interesting geology (all those volcanoes and fiery rifts and the like. yet often do you read this:
"You say that you are Mr Underhill, but I can see from your boots that you started in a place with red mud, walked through grey mud, then white, before getting the black peat of our own fields on your shoes. From this, I deduce that you, Mr Underhill, are actually Mr Baggins, for only between Hobbiton and here can one encounter mud like that."
But we now move on to the worst enemy that a hero can face in Fantasyland. Do I mean the three-headed dogs of doom? Nay! Do I mean the foul armies of ugly-faced minions, whose hearts know no pity? Nay! Do I mean the dread Dark Lord himself - he who cannot be named? Nay! I mean - *tremble. hushed voice*... I mean... the hero's own cloak!
Imagine a cloak with a hood, beloved by Black Riders and the like. What the books don't say is that the hood flies off one's face in the slightest breeze. It then sits there behind your neck, secretly gathering rain is a helpful water-butt sort of fashion. Some while later, the intrepid hero/foul dark minion reaches some sheltered spot and tries the hood again. The result is a large dose of cold water straight down the neck. Clearly Black Riders have some sort of magic imbued in their hood. Either that, or they have Velcro on the top of their head. Maybe Sauron almost won because he discovered Velcro first.
When the hoods do stay up (as happens with proper waterproofs, not cloaks), you then have the problem that you are one of 6000 people, who all, from the back, look identical:
"Is that you, Eater of Babies?"
"No, I'm Cruncher of Hamsters. Eater of Babies's over there. The one with the hood."
The cloak does actually do a wonderful job of keeping the rain off. However, by doing so, it becomes as heavy as four elephants. As soon as you reach a windy hill-top, it becomes possessed, leaping around like a mad thing. By rights, we should encounter the following scenarios in fantasy fiction:
"What is it, Sam?" Frodo asked, horrified, as Sam collapsed to the ground, gasping in agony.
"It was your cloak, Master Frodo, sir," Sam gasped. "It hit me in the eye. I... I'm done for, Master Frodo."
Alternatively: "I'm sorry, Sam. I can't go on." Frodo pointed to his ankles, whipped by his cloak until they were as red as raw steak.
We also have the hitherto-unexplored wind resistence effect of a cloak worn on a windy hilltop:
"I'm sorry, Sam. I can't go on. Let me die here."
Sam hurried to Frodo's side. "Is it the Eye, Master Frodo? Is the Ring so very heavy?"
"No," Frodo gasped, almost too spent to speak. "The chill wind from yon mountain is catching in my cloak, making every step feel like ten."
Add to this the strangling effect as ten tonnes of water-sodden cloak is billowed backwards by 50 miles an hour of wind, all of which is pulling one one brooch at your throat...
All in all, I think cloaks were invented by the Dark Lord as part of a secret plan to defeat his enemies. As long as heroes in fantasy novels persist in wearing pseudo-medieval clothing, they will never defeat Evil. As one, they need to cast away their cloaks, and Goodness will prevail.
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And, finally, a few more pictures, some of the "why on earth are we doing this?" variety, and one of the "aint it pretty?" type.


(Flash went off accidentally. I opted not to take a second picture without the flash, since I was afraid of falling down and setting off the domino reaction.)


EDIT: I should just add that it fills me with a warm, fuzzy glow that so many people on my Friends list are able to share cloak-wearing tales, rather than going, "What? A cloak? Are you some sort of weirdo?" (Feeling really quite unwell now. I think it's the after-effects of getting out of breath while still having the tail-end of a chesty cold. I'm now going to curl up somewhere and whimper.)
Next year, I think I'm going to run away and Walk the Fens, or something. The island has far too many Downs. (For the benefit of stray Americans, Downs mean ups. It's rather like the way that Public schools are private.) The trouble is, all the Downs have downs in between them, so we're up and down like yo-yos. At one point, we were teetering down a very muddy path, and it struck me that it just needed one person at the top to slip, and 200 people would go down like dominos. I'm not sure whether I was disappointed or relieved that this didn't happen.
We did do the walk in Mummers' costume, after all. For me, this meant a cloak. This has given me a unique insight into the lack of realism endemic in fantasy novels today. Here is my shocking expose.
Fantasy novels do not properly address the issue of mud. If you are a hero trudging through wind and weather, with the fate of the world resting on your every footstep, you will inevitably go through foul weather and fouler ground, put there by your foul enemy. In other words, you will get muddy. As you can see, scabbards are not exempt. (Unless elven-made scabbards have some sort of in-built mud repellent.)

However, how often do you read something like this:
"As the enemy approached, Aragorn drew his sword. But, behold!, the movement dislodged the mud that caked his scabbard, and a fleck of mud went into his eye, which did blind him and cause the enemy to prevail."
You will also observe that walking through a landscape with an interesting geological composition results in overlaid layers of differently coloured mud.

Fantasyland always has interesting geology (all those volcanoes and fiery rifts and the like. yet often do you read this:
"You say that you are Mr Underhill, but I can see from your boots that you started in a place with red mud, walked through grey mud, then white, before getting the black peat of our own fields on your shoes. From this, I deduce that you, Mr Underhill, are actually Mr Baggins, for only between Hobbiton and here can one encounter mud like that."
But we now move on to the worst enemy that a hero can face in Fantasyland. Do I mean the three-headed dogs of doom? Nay! Do I mean the foul armies of ugly-faced minions, whose hearts know no pity? Nay! Do I mean the dread Dark Lord himself - he who cannot be named? Nay! I mean - *tremble. hushed voice*... I mean... the hero's own cloak!
Imagine a cloak with a hood, beloved by Black Riders and the like. What the books don't say is that the hood flies off one's face in the slightest breeze. It then sits there behind your neck, secretly gathering rain is a helpful water-butt sort of fashion. Some while later, the intrepid hero/foul dark minion reaches some sheltered spot and tries the hood again. The result is a large dose of cold water straight down the neck. Clearly Black Riders have some sort of magic imbued in their hood. Either that, or they have Velcro on the top of their head. Maybe Sauron almost won because he discovered Velcro first.
When the hoods do stay up (as happens with proper waterproofs, not cloaks), you then have the problem that you are one of 6000 people, who all, from the back, look identical:
"Is that you, Eater of Babies?"
"No, I'm Cruncher of Hamsters. Eater of Babies's over there. The one with the hood."
The cloak does actually do a wonderful job of keeping the rain off. However, by doing so, it becomes as heavy as four elephants. As soon as you reach a windy hill-top, it becomes possessed, leaping around like a mad thing. By rights, we should encounter the following scenarios in fantasy fiction:
"What is it, Sam?" Frodo asked, horrified, as Sam collapsed to the ground, gasping in agony.
"It was your cloak, Master Frodo, sir," Sam gasped. "It hit me in the eye. I... I'm done for, Master Frodo."
Alternatively: "I'm sorry, Sam. I can't go on." Frodo pointed to his ankles, whipped by his cloak until they were as red as raw steak.
We also have the hitherto-unexplored wind resistence effect of a cloak worn on a windy hilltop:
"I'm sorry, Sam. I can't go on. Let me die here."
Sam hurried to Frodo's side. "Is it the Eye, Master Frodo? Is the Ring so very heavy?"
"No," Frodo gasped, almost too spent to speak. "The chill wind from yon mountain is catching in my cloak, making every step feel like ten."
Add to this the strangling effect as ten tonnes of water-sodden cloak is billowed backwards by 50 miles an hour of wind, all of which is pulling one one brooch at your throat...
All in all, I think cloaks were invented by the Dark Lord as part of a secret plan to defeat his enemies. As long as heroes in fantasy novels persist in wearing pseudo-medieval clothing, they will never defeat Evil. As one, they need to cast away their cloaks, and Goodness will prevail.
__
And, finally, a few more pictures, some of the "why on earth are we doing this?" variety, and one of the "aint it pretty?" type.


(Flash went off accidentally. I opted not to take a second picture without the flash, since I was afraid of falling down and setting off the domino reaction.)


EDIT: I should just add that it fills me with a warm, fuzzy glow that so many people on my Friends list are able to share cloak-wearing tales, rather than going, "What? A cloak? Are you some sort of weirdo?" (Feeling really quite unwell now. I think it's the after-effects of getting out of breath while still having the tail-end of a chesty cold. I'm now going to curl up somewhere and whimper.)
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Date: 2007-05-13 06:47 pm (UTC)And you speak so much truth about cloaks. I may have to incorporate this knowledge into my next bout of writing. ^_^
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-13 06:53 pm (UTC)I have the answer to some of the cloak trauma, being something of a regular wearer...
Two hand size slits in the seams, about where your overcoat pockets would be, allow you to reach through the cloak on windy hilltops, therefore anchoring the cloak at your wrists and limiting the billowing. It also means that on cold days you can carry bags and stuff without letting the Draught of Doom in at the front or looking like a hovercraft! :-)
If the hood flies off and collects skywater, it's probably too big...
As far as length goes, mid-calf is about right and reasonably mudproof :-)
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:13 pm (UTC)The hood is far too big, and lined with shiny stuff. It was a cloak designed to look effective indoors, not to be worn on a wind-torn hilltop.
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Date: 2007-05-13 06:57 pm (UTC)The only problem I have with a cloak is trying to drive when wearing one!
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-13 08:32 pm (UTC)It really sounds like you (a) need a smaller hood and (b) no slithery fabric. Try wool, cotton and or linen. Get a nice wool outdoor cloak, much warmer and more practical in unclement weather. I think I paid fifty quid for mine, the pure wool ones are a bit, but not much, more.
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Date: 2007-05-14 05:33 am (UTC)The only time I suffered severe cloak embarassment was when I wore one of white velvet with red trimmings. The rain acted pretty much like a washing machine with very pink consequences.
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Date: 2007-05-13 06:57 pm (UTC)Well done on surviving the walk (and the weather)! I shall spare Pellinor a thought tomorrow - I guess he's going to be in quite a lot more pain tomorrow than he is today. :(
And yes, cloaks are evil. But not so evil as scabbards. Have you ever tried to fight while wearing one? No, I haven't either, because I can barely cross a room wearing the damn thing without falling over it six times. And as for walking down stairs with one - just forget it and hurl yourself from the top step. It's simpler, probably hurts less and ends up with the same conclusion.
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Date: 2007-05-13 07:03 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:07 pm (UTC)In the photo above, it's a standard longsword and attached using the one clasp, which means it waves around quite a bit? If you have them like this, the best option is to walk around with one hand on the pommel, if you don't, then there's two different recommendations I've got, the first is attaching a second clasp to the scabbard so that it points backwards, you'll have to watch out for backing into things or spinning around, but you'll never fall over it again, most cavalry sabre scabbards have the correct positioning for the second clasp if you need a point of reference (or let me know and I'll take a photo of mine and post it on).
The second option is the back holster, usually held as a scabbard which attaches via both arms (much like a firearms holster) and usually draws over the shoulder opposite which hand you use (right handed, left shoulder etc), you can get the ones where it draws downwards, but they're usually more trouble than they're worth...
I'm on john_automatic@yahoo.co.uk if you'd like some recommendations on where to get decent scabbards
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:19 pm (UTC)It used to have both straps on the rear, the second about 8" down the scabbard and connected to the back of the belt, but I felt this gave too pronounced a backward tilt so I changed it. It also flopped about more, whereas this suspension holds it tighter to the body.
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-13 08:10 pm (UTC)It may just be that you've not had a scabbard that hangs properly. I have little trouble, except sometimes when sitting on the floor or walking in china shops. For example, I walked 28 miles today without the scabbard causing me any trouble ;-)
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:28 pm (UTC)(Rest assured I don't draw and wield it when drunk, except where champagne bottles are concerned, and only then in the presence of responsible adults :D)
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:35 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:20 pm (UTC)Have they? Oh no! It must be those pesky Mainlanders again! (Or maybe the Dark Lord, who was about his evil business while all the heroes were distracted by battling their cloaks.)
I've not much experience with swords and scabbards, but some helpful hints have come in below...
Cloaks and their dangers!
Date: 2007-05-13 07:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-13 07:19 pm (UTC)He abandoned the cape forthwith.
Just to let you know about the good company you keep, and that some writers actually do think about such things...
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:25 pm (UTC)We did have a short discussion about cloaks, wind resistence and superheroes while I was battling my way across the hill, driven back one step for every two. We concluded that superheroes really should give up cloaks as a bad idea. They'd be far more effective and super without them.
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Date: 2007-05-14 03:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-13 08:08 pm (UTC)"Is that you, Eater of Babies?"
"No, I'm Cruncher of Hamsters. Eater of Babies's over there. The one with the hood."
made me laugh. And Lord of the Rings will never be the same again.
I've been to the Isle of Wight a couple of times and found it hard enough to struggle across a windy hilltop at Alum Bay, I can't imagine walking the whole island. Congratulations on surviving it.
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:23 pm (UTC)It always seems to be windy up above Alum Bay. Even if it's totally still down at sea level, the gales are lashing up on the headland. I suppose it's the fact that the wind can come at your from all directions over the sea, without anything like trees or building getting in the way. No way I could have done the 27 miles, though. The 8 I did have left me feeling distinctly broken.
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Date: 2007-05-13 11:29 pm (UTC)Oh cloaks - my friend has a wholly impractical but lovely red one which flopped about like something alive and angry when she went out wearing it and ran into a storm. I've got nothing on scabbards though, I'm afraid.
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:26 pm (UTC)*hugs Pellinor's feet* (definitely metaphorically speaking!)
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-13 08:29 pm (UTC)NO CLOAKS! but I will patch the clownsuit.
I think cloaks are sort of like corsets when it comes to actual wear: if you get juuuust the right one and it's fitted juuuuust right, then it's fabulous...but it's nearly impossible to find one that fits correctly and very difficult to find someone to mentor you properly in the care and feeding thereof.
That's part of the reason I don't do either these days.
OTOH, it's loads of fun to read/hear tales of the horrors others face when trying to wear them.
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Date: 2007-05-13 08:45 pm (UTC)Care and feeding? Curses! That's where I've been going wrong. I never knew I had to feed it. That's probably why it got skittish. I've just been feeding it an occasional diet of rainwater, mud, and puddles.
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