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Well, the Wight has been Walked. Pellinor did the full 27 miles (not 28 as I said yesterday), though he was an idiot to do so, since he could barely put his feet on the ground at the 18 mile checkpoint. I did the 8 miles I'd planned to do, and can also barely walk, due to hip pain. It rained horribly for the first 16 miles or so, then got sunny and nice, but is raining again now.

Next year, I think I'm going to run away and Walk the Fens, or something. The island has far too many Downs. (For the benefit of stray Americans, Downs mean ups. It's rather like the way that Public schools are private.) The trouble is, all the Downs have downs in between them, so we're up and down like yo-yos. At one point, we were teetering down a very muddy path, and it struck me that it just needed one person at the top to slip, and 200 people would go down like dominos. I'm not sure whether I was disappointed or relieved that this didn't happen.

We did do the walk in Mummers' costume, after all. For me, this meant a cloak. This has given me a unique insight into the lack of realism endemic in fantasy novels today. Here is my shocking expose.



Fantasy novels do not properly address the issue of mud. If you are a hero trudging through wind and weather, with the fate of the world resting on your every footstep, you will inevitably go through foul weather and fouler ground, put there by your foul enemy. In other words, you will get muddy. As you can see, scabbards are not exempt. (Unless elven-made scabbards have some sort of in-built mud repellent.)

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However, how often do you read something like this:

"As the enemy approached, Aragorn drew his sword. But, behold!, the movement dislodged the mud that caked his scabbard, and a fleck of mud went into his eye, which did blind him and cause the enemy to prevail."

You will also observe that walking through a landscape with an interesting geological composition results in overlaid layers of differently coloured mud.

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Fantasyland always has interesting geology (all those volcanoes and fiery rifts and the like. yet often do you read this:

"You say that you are Mr Underhill, but I can see from your boots that you started in a place with red mud, walked through grey mud, then white, before getting the black peat of our own fields on your shoes. From this, I deduce that you, Mr Underhill, are actually Mr Baggins, for only between Hobbiton and here can one encounter mud like that."

But we now move on to the worst enemy that a hero can face in Fantasyland. Do I mean the three-headed dogs of doom? Nay! Do I mean the foul armies of ugly-faced minions, whose hearts know no pity? Nay! Do I mean the dread Dark Lord himself - he who cannot be named? Nay! I mean - *tremble. hushed voice*... I mean... the hero's own cloak!

Imagine a cloak with a hood, beloved by Black Riders and the like. What the books don't say is that the hood flies off one's face in the slightest breeze. It then sits there behind your neck, secretly gathering rain is a helpful water-butt sort of fashion. Some while later, the intrepid hero/foul dark minion reaches some sheltered spot and tries the hood again. The result is a large dose of cold water straight down the neck. Clearly Black Riders have some sort of magic imbued in their hood. Either that, or they have Velcro on the top of their head. Maybe Sauron almost won because he discovered Velcro first.

When the hoods do stay up (as happens with proper waterproofs, not cloaks), you then have the problem that you are one of 6000 people, who all, from the back, look identical:

"Is that you, Eater of Babies?"

"No, I'm Cruncher of Hamsters. Eater of Babies's over there. The one with the hood."

The cloak does actually do a wonderful job of keeping the rain off. However, by doing so, it becomes as heavy as four elephants. As soon as you reach a windy hill-top, it becomes possessed, leaping around like a mad thing. By rights, we should encounter the following scenarios in fantasy fiction:

"What is it, Sam?" Frodo asked, horrified, as Sam collapsed to the ground, gasping in agony.

"It was your cloak, Master Frodo, sir," Sam gasped. "It hit me in the eye. I... I'm done for, Master Frodo."

Alternatively: "I'm sorry, Sam. I can't go on." Frodo pointed to his ankles, whipped by his cloak until they were as red as raw steak.

We also have the hitherto-unexplored wind resistence effect of a cloak worn on a windy hilltop:

"I'm sorry, Sam. I can't go on. Let me die here."

Sam hurried to Frodo's side. "Is it the Eye, Master Frodo? Is the Ring so very heavy?"

"No," Frodo gasped, almost too spent to speak. "The chill wind from yon mountain is catching in my cloak, making every step feel like ten."

Add to this the strangling effect as ten tonnes of water-sodden cloak is billowed backwards by 50 miles an hour of wind, all of which is pulling one one brooch at your throat...

All in all, I think cloaks were invented by the Dark Lord as part of a secret plan to defeat his enemies. As long as heroes in fantasy novels persist in wearing pseudo-medieval clothing, they will never defeat Evil. As one, they need to cast away their cloaks, and Goodness will prevail.
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And, finally, a few more pictures, some of the "why on earth are we doing this?" variety, and one of the "aint it pretty?" type.

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(Flash went off accidentally. I opted not to take a second picture without the flash, since I was afraid of falling down and setting off the domino reaction.)

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EDIT: I should just add that it fills me with a warm, fuzzy glow that so many people on my Friends list are able to share cloak-wearing tales, rather than going, "What? A cloak? Are you some sort of weirdo?" (Feeling really quite unwell now. I think it's the after-effects of getting out of breath while still having the tail-end of a chesty cold. I'm now going to curl up somewhere and whimper.)

Date: 2007-05-13 06:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gramarye1971
I never used to believe the parts in Sherlock Holmes where Holmes could identify all the different kinds of mud and soil at a glance and trace it back to the person's location, until I actually went on a walk where the mud on my shoes was of different colours and textures. *grins*

And you speak so much truth about cloaks. I may have to incorporate this knowledge into my next bout of writing. ^_^

Date: 2007-05-13 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
Me too! I was very dubious of his deduction there, but here on the island you sometimes find that the mud is a different colour in each field. And then we have the famous Alum Bay sands, when the rock changes colour every few yards, which might baffle even Sherlock Holmes.

Date: 2007-05-13 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yellowrocket.livejournal.com
Glad the sun shone on you for at least part of the time :-)

I have the answer to some of the cloak trauma, being something of a regular wearer...

Two hand size slits in the seams, about where your overcoat pockets would be, allow you to reach through the cloak on windy hilltops, therefore anchoring the cloak at your wrists and limiting the billowing. It also means that on cold days you can carry bags and stuff without letting the Draught of Doom in at the front or looking like a hovercraft! :-)

If the hood flies off and collects skywater, it's probably too big...

As far as length goes, mid-calf is about right and reasonably mudproof :-)

Date: 2007-05-13 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
I actually have these slits. I stuck my arms through the slits up to the elbow, and grasped the cloak with my hands to try to tame it at waist height. The result: very sore arms. It also lulled my travelling companions into a false sense of security, so they drew near to me, only to get whopped in the face when a large gust caused me to lose my grip on the cloak, and it billowed free in all its sodden finery.

The hood is far too big, and lined with shiny stuff. It was a cloak designed to look effective indoors, not to be worn on a wind-torn hilltop.

Date: 2007-05-13 06:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com
Having worn cloks on several occassions to keep warm and dry I have never had the experiences you describe. I will admit that my cloak is a wool / polyester mix, but [livejournal.com profile] amalion's is pure wool and hers is even better than mine is at keeping the wearer warm and dry. I also have never had the hood blow off my head; it stays up when I want it up and down when I want it down. Nor does it collect unwanted water.

The only problem I have with a cloak is trying to drive when wearing one!

Date: 2007-05-13 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
Ah, but maybe you haven't worn your cloak on top of a gurt big hill in a gale force wind... ;-) My cloak is very big and billowy, and the hood is far too big, and lined with slithery fabric. It was designed as a stylish indoor cloak, not to be worn on said gurt big hill in gale force wind. Oh well... I enlivened everyone's lives a bit with my battling. :-)

Date: 2007-05-13 08:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com
I must confess to never having worn a cloak on a gurt big hill in a gale force wind; I must try it some time. :-)

It really sounds like you (a) need a smaller hood and (b) no slithery fabric. Try wool, cotton and or linen. Get a nice wool outdoor cloak, much warmer and more practical in unclement weather. I think I paid fifty quid for mine, the pure wool ones are a bit, but not much, more.

Date: 2007-05-14 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firin.livejournal.com
High wool content with no slither is a must, as is a properly fitting hood, though in my experience of cloaks in all winds and weathers (including horrific horizontal rainstorms) hood control tends to sort itself out when the fabric is weighty enough. A really good cloak gets slightly heavier in the wet, without getting too cumbersome or without getting you wet underneath.

The only time I suffered severe cloak embarassment was when I wore one of white velvet with red trimmings. The rain acted pretty much like a washing machine with very pink consequences.

Date: 2007-05-13 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustica.livejournal.com
Someone should tell the tourist board that someone has nicked part of that hill in your last pic :)

Well done on surviving the walk (and the weather)! I shall spare Pellinor a thought tomorrow - I guess he's going to be in quite a lot more pain tomorrow than he is today. :(

And yes, cloaks are evil. But not so evil as scabbards. Have you ever tried to fight while wearing one? No, I haven't either, because I can barely cross a room wearing the damn thing without falling over it six times. And as for walking down stairs with one - just forget it and hurl yourself from the top step. It's simpler, probably hurts less and ends up with the same conclusion.

Date: 2007-05-13 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yellowrocket.livejournal.com
Would carrying the thing on your back instead help at all?

Date: 2007-05-13 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustica.livejournal.com
Hmm, yes, good point, it certainly would. What would you need, some sort of harness for it? I don't think I've seen anything like that at any of the fairs, but I must admit it's never occured to me to look.

Date: 2007-05-13 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yellowrocket.livejournal.com
Just a minute - I'll ask the expert :-)

Date: 2007-05-13 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oldson.livejournal.com
Yellowrocket asked me to make comment on this one :)

In the photo above, it's a standard longsword and attached using the one clasp, which means it waves around quite a bit? If you have them like this, the best option is to walk around with one hand on the pommel, if you don't, then there's two different recommendations I've got, the first is attaching a second clasp to the scabbard so that it points backwards, you'll have to watch out for backing into things or spinning around, but you'll never fall over it again, most cavalry sabre scabbards have the correct positioning for the second clasp if you need a point of reference (or let me know and I'll take a photo of mine and post it on).

The second option is the back holster, usually held as a scabbard which attaches via both arms (much like a firearms holster) and usually draws over the shoulder opposite which hand you use (right handed, left shoulder etc), you can get the ones where it draws downwards, but they're usually more trouble than they're worth...

I'm on john_automatic@yahoo.co.uk if you'd like some recommendations on where to get decent scabbards

Date: 2007-05-13 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] king-pellinor.livejournal.com
It's about a 28" blade - not sure without going downstairs to where it's been dumped unceremoniously by the door, and trips down/up stairs have been limited by statute at present - with a single hand (not longsword) hilt about 8" long including cross and pommel, suspended by two straps to the belt from the throat of the scabbard: one fore, one aft, the former being longer so it hangs slightly to the rear.

It used to have both straps on the rear, the second about 8" down the scabbard and connected to the back of the belt, but I felt this gave too pronounced a backward tilt so I changed it. It also flopped about more, whereas this suspension holds it tighter to the body.

Date: 2007-05-13 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oldson.livejournal.com
Yep, that's about right, most of the clasps are adjustable, but with a 28" blade, it'd be a single or back sword, so one handed drawing is the order of the day. The two clasp approach is the best one for the smaller swords.

Date: 2007-05-13 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] king-pellinor.livejournal.com
Back harnesses are a vexed issue.You have to remember that your arm needs to be longer than the sword, and things like cloaks make life terribly terribly complicated.

It may just be that you've not had a scabbard that hangs properly. I have little trouble, except sometimes when sitting on the floor or walking in china shops. For example, I walked 28 miles today without the scabbard causing me any trouble ;-)

Date: 2007-05-13 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustica.livejournal.com
That's true; or it may be the fault of the alcohol. :)

(Rest assured I don't draw and wield it when drunk, except where champagne bottles are concerned, and only then in the presence of responsible adults :D)

Date: 2007-05-13 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oldson.livejournal.com
If you rig the harness so that the back tilts upwards when you draw (which if it's to be functional, it needs to be), blades shorter than arms make it easier, but if you've got the harness rigged so it comes across the shoulder and draws slightly to the side, you can add in the measurement of neck to shoulder into the blade length. There are some extremely good options out there for it :)

Date: 2007-05-13 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-marquis.livejournal.com
A certain teacher of elvish that we both know has a back scabbard.

Date: 2007-05-13 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
Someone should tell the tourist board that someone has nicked part of that hill in your last pic

Have they? Oh no! It must be those pesky Mainlanders again! (Or maybe the Dark Lord, who was about his evil business while all the heroes were distracted by battling their cloaks.)

I've not much experience with swords and scabbards, but some helpful hints have come in below...

Cloaks and their dangers!

Date: 2007-05-13 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-marquis.livejournal.com
When reading about the disaters inherent in cloaks there is also the danger of falling of one's chair laughing, or developing an asthma attack.

Date: 2007-05-13 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lil-shepherd.livejournal.com
I am reminded of a certain Captain America comic book of yore. Cap had become deeply disillusioned with the US Government (read Nixon) and decided to abandon his patriotic identify and call himself Nomad, Man Without a Country. As he sat there with his needle and sewing machine,making himself a new costume, as you do, he thought to himself, "I'll have a cape. I've always felt capes were cool." So he indeed made himself a snazzy cape, like a cloak only a tad shorter, and without the arm holes that, as far as I am concerned, distinguish a cape from a cloak.... but I digress. Anyhow, off he set, after the bad guys. And forthwith tripped over the cape... to the accompaniment of a super villain remarking, "I just knew one of those super-clowns was going to do that one of these days."

He abandoned the cape forthwith.

Just to let you know about the good company you keep, and that some writers actually do think about such things...

Date: 2007-05-13 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
*laughs*

We did have a short discussion about cloaks, wind resistence and superheroes while I was battling my way across the hill, driven back one step for every two. We concluded that superheroes really should give up cloaks as a bad idea. They'd be far more effective and super without them.

Date: 2007-05-14 05:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kargicq.livejournal.com
Have you seen The Incredibles? There's a montage about the dangers of superhero capes...

Date: 2007-05-14 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
I do have vague memories of that, now you mention it. Must watch that film again...

Date: 2007-05-14 03:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chainmailmaiden
I was thinking of that too :-)

Date: 2007-05-13 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowana.livejournal.com
I wandered in here from [livejournal.com profile] sounis and just wanted to comment on how hard this:

"Is that you, Eater of Babies?"

"No, I'm Cruncher of Hamsters. Eater of Babies's over there. The one with the hood."


made me laugh. And Lord of the Rings will never be the same again.

I've been to the Isle of Wight a couple of times and found it hard enough to struggle across a windy hilltop at Alum Bay, I can't imagine walking the whole island. Congratulations on surviving it.

Date: 2007-05-13 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
Hello! :-)

It always seems to be windy up above Alum Bay. Even if it's totally still down at sea level, the gales are lashing up on the headland. I suppose it's the fact that the wind can come at your from all directions over the sea, without anything like trees or building getting in the way. No way I could have done the 27 miles, though. The 8 I did have left me feeling distinctly broken.

Date: 2007-05-13 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowana.livejournal.com
That must have been it. I remember being fine heading up a steep slope and reaching the top and being blown into a convenient patch of nettles. I admire your eight wholeheartedly since I can barely manage three in suburbia on a good day.

Oh cloaks - my friend has a wholly impractical but lovely red one which flopped about like something alive and angry when she went out wearing it and ran into a storm. I've got nothing on scabbards though, I'm afraid.

Date: 2007-05-13 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wellinghall.livejournal.com
*hugs Elaine's hip* (metaphorically speaking)

*hugs Pellinor's feet* (definitely metaphorically speaking!)

Date: 2007-05-13 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
A surprising number of people did seem to want to hug Pellinor's feet. At every checkpoint, he kept getting offers from women who wanted to look after him, rub him and maul him. I think they were physiotherapists. That's what they claimed, anyway.

Date: 2007-05-13 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gileswench.livejournal.com
And now I hear E from The Incredibles:

NO CLOAKS! but I will patch the clownsuit.

I think cloaks are sort of like corsets when it comes to actual wear: if you get juuuust the right one and it's fitted juuuuust right, then it's fabulous...but it's nearly impossible to find one that fits correctly and very difficult to find someone to mentor you properly in the care and feeding thereof.

That's part of the reason I don't do either these days.

OTOH, it's loads of fun to read/hear tales of the horrors others face when trying to wear them.

Date: 2007-05-13 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
Maybe next year I'll try to walk in a corset, then. At least it would be less billowy.

Care and feeding? Curses! That's where I've been going wrong. I never knew I had to feed it. That's probably why it got skittish. I've just been feeding it an occasional diet of rainwater, mud, and puddles.

Date: 2007-05-13 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wellinghall.livejournal.com
A greatcoat might not look quie so medieval, but it's easy to manage!

Date: 2007-05-14 11:16 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com
I dispute that! A cloak is quite as easy to manage as a greatcoat.

Date: 2007-05-13 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evilmissbecky.livejournal.com
I think you should share your cloak tales with Diana Wynn Jones, to include in the next Toughguide. :-)

Date: 2007-05-14 06:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
I just looked up her entry on cloaks, which I should have read yesterday. The OMTs for cloaks, she says, are "swirling and dripping," "heavy with water," "entangling with trees," "pulled close to his shivering body." She does add, though, that they always wear really wide hoods that never get blown off or let water in, so at least your head is dry, even if the rest of your is sodden. The main reason people wear them is because they like the look of themselves from the back.

Date: 2007-05-13 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helflaed.livejournal.com
There is a reason why I usually wear a shawl type cloak for re-enactment purposes. As for practicality, wool is always best. Even when sodden it will still insulate. It's just when the wet finally penetrates down to the linen underdress that you suddenly freeze...

Date: 2007-05-14 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyofastolat.livejournal.com
At least my huge and swirly one kept me especially dry, since it was never anywhere near my body. It got sodden, but was usually billowing about some two feet away from anywhere near me, so I remained almost entirely dry beneath it. I suppose one has to look on the bright side...

Date: 2007-05-14 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nilsigma.livejournal.com
OK, so its slightly off-topic but Jane Austen uses mud to great effect when Elizabeth walks to Bingley's house in Pride and Prejudice. Her muddy appearance rather turns Darcy on! And Bath streets are always 'filthy' after rain.

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